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Tonight’s episode focuses on the stories of some of the escapee’s lives after their escape. We see Aunt Kathy, Eskel, Lizzy and her defiant daughter Julie and sisters Vanna and Ariel. One of whom has a shocking secret.

Does anyone have any info on the death of

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Aunt Kathy?  She was only 45 years old! 🙁

It was Kollene’s mother Susan that passed away. She had been battling cancer.

A couple links on the death. Really very sad situation. It was Susan Peterson btw.  Kolleen’s mom’s sister. 

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865666323/Mother-son-killed-in-Carbon-County-second-son-arrested.html

http://www.sltrib.com/home/4675689-155/search-warrant-reveals-new-details-about

I am a bit surprised by the one that is pregnant. She seemed from the beginning so closed off from leaving and believing the truth on Jeffs. I wonder if her opinion of him has changed or not and how she ended up getting herself in that situation. I know that because they are not taught about things like birth control that those coming out of those cults won’t understand that but whoever was with her probably knew better I would bet. Seems with her sister by her side though at least she has a support system to help her out. Its also something that these girls should be talked to about when they leave since the world outside the cults is so different. I am glad these shows are being done. It is suppose to be 4 parts. Its nice to see updates on the people and how they are doing. Seeing that Eskel is going to school and enjoying being able to just get to know his girlfriend unlike how it would have been for him is a good thing. The whole Lizzy/Julie situation is just so sad still. You could tell Lizzy was just so lost and the way Julie behaved was just disgusting. Its great she is with all her kids but sad they are still in that mess of a group and hidden away. 

Thanks!

3 hours ago, Evil Queen said:

A couple links on the death. Really very sad situation. It was Susan Peterson btw.  Kolleen’s mom’s sister. 

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865666323/Mother-son-killed-in-Carbon-County-second-son-arrested.html

http://www.sltrib.com/home/4675689-155/search-warrant-reveals-new-details-about

I am a bit surprised by the one that is pregnant. She seemed from the beginning so closed off from leaving and believing the truth on Jeffs. I wonder if her opinion of him has changed or not and how she ended up getting herself in that situation. I know that because they are not taught about things like birth control that those coming out of those cults won’t understand that but whoever was with her probably knew better I would bet. Seems with her sister by her side though at least she has a support system to help her out. Its also something that these girls should be talked to about when they leave since the world outside the cults is so different. I am glad these shows are being done. It is suppose to be 4 parts. Its nice to see updates on the people and how they are doing. Seeing that Eskel is going to school and enjoying being able to just get to know his girlfriend unlike how it would have been for him is a good thing. The whole Lizzy/Julie situation is just so sad still. You could tell Lizzy was just so lost and the way Julie behaved was just disgusting. Its great she is with all her kids but sad they are still in that mess of a group and hidden away. 

I was very surprised by Vanna. I thought she would eventually go back or something. That guy she was involved with is a jerk. How do you tell someone to have an abortion so nonchalantly? Especially if the person did not express that desire. If he was scared that is not how you act. I feel she will be okay, she has her sister and Kolleen seems like she really wants to help.

Thanks @Evil Queen , I got that all kinds of wrong! Kollene’s mom is Shirley, not Susan. That’s what I get for going off the top of my head with stuff. Such a horrible situation for the family.

I too was so surprised about Vanna. At least she reached out to Kollene. I wonder where she is working and how this will all play out after the baby arrives. I don’t think going back to Short Crick is an option with an out of wedlock baby.

It’s interesting that Julie was sent away with Lizzy considering that it was Lizzy who basically kidnapped her and ran. I guess the Bishops consider her tainted along with Lizzy after being in contact with the Escaping Polygamy crew.

I’m just as surprised by Vanna too. I really thought she’d up going back too. She really acted like she still believed in the faith and in Jeffs and had still believed he was innocent. And now she’s pregnant? That was surprising too, it sounds like she met a jerk. Poor girl. I wonder what the girls are told when they leave about the real world too. Are they given any information on birth control? Talk to about guys in the real world? There’s creeps here too. I’d really like to know if they are therapy or if their offered it. Its also surprising the Julie is still with her mom. That was such a messed up situation. I loved hearing about the first wife. So she not only got her divorce but custody of her kids, and the one to decide if her daughter can go to those dances or I don’t remember what their called but basically where to meet husbands? I’m glad the judge listened and didn’t give that option to her father.

Im glad to see we are getting updates about the people they have helped. Though in my case I get my updates by reading this board. I used to be able to watch the show online, but apparently A&E now requires people to have a cable package to watch episodes online now. Ironically it will let me watch sneak peak videos but nothing else.

2 members of the Bountiful FLDS members were convicted! http://www.sltrib.com/news/4903478-155/canadian-parents-convicted-of-taking-daughter

6 hours ago, WireWrap said:

2 members of the Bountiful FLDS members were convicted! http://www.sltrib.com/news/4903478-155/canadian-parents-convicted-of-taking-daughter

Yes! That’s so great!

Regarding last night’s episode, it was great to see Yolanda doing so well.  I was worried about her but she seems to be doing great and looks amazing.

Ethan – so sad.  Drugs are killing him. Like so many people who numb themselves through drugs, he is bent on self destruction.  Numb or dead – either (in their minds) is preferable to the life they live or the life they are running from and cannot deal with sober. 

Priscilla – she seems to be doing well, but I just hope she doesn’t end up getting her heart broken.  These girls are extremely naive and trusting.  Not sure the boyfriend is who she thinks he is.  Hope I’m totally wrong.

I don’t know if this  question ever crossed into anyone’s mind.  Does anyone believe these polygamist leaders KNOW it’s wrong what they’re doing, such as a 40 something year old man courting a 14 year old girl?!  Don’t the young girls ever wonder WHY their to-be husband cannot be someone who is under the age of 25?  Don’t these young girls find it creepy to be with a man who is older than the age of their father?  I imagine some do, and that’s why they want to escape bc they know it’s wrong, the older man business, and the polygamy.  But doesn’t the thought of marrying someone you were brought up with, sharing so much in common (half-brother, cousin), ever creep them out?  I personally would vomit if my cousin showed any sexual attraction to me.  

3 hours ago, TanyaB812 said:

Does anyone believe these polygamist leaders KNOW it’s wrong what they’re doing, such as a 40 something year old man courting a 14 year old girl?!

Yes, they know it’s wrong. That is why everything is hidden and the people in the sects are forbidden to speak out about it. That is why those who DO speak out or try to escape are beaten, separated from their families, sent away to secret places or any number of other soul-crushing behaviors to keep them in line with The Principle. The leaders want power, control, money and young bodies. They don’t care what the cost is to the followers. They are sick, sick men. The followers are brainwashed into thinking they can only get to heaven by doing what they are told but they know in their hearts and mind what they are asked to do is wrong. In this day and age of technology more and more are learning that their leaders are wrong and they can leave. There are more groups out there to assist them in leaving, more “out” relatives to help.

As the older leaders die or are imprisoned, hopefully the sects like The Kingstons and FLDS will dwindle in size as the younger men don’t want to carry on the shameful practices. Even in the milder sects like AUB and independent groups, the younger generation is not practicing polygamy. I bet within 20-30 years or so, we will see the polygamist population shrink considerably in the US.

Not all know its wrong though. The thing is like Galloway Cave said they are brainwashed. From the time they are old enough to understand anything at all they are going to be taught this is the way it is. In the case of the Kingstons, they think they need to keep bloodlines pure. So they basically create the most twisted inbreeding you can think of. Not like this is the only people that have ever done it (think royalty, etc). The difference is that these people are not what they believe they are or try to make others believe. Those of us never raised in such disgust can see it for what it is but those in it are not always going to. Most go along with it because of being told they won’t get into heaven if they don’t do this or that. If there are to many younger boys they dump them out in the middle of nowhere with very little to fend for themselves. They showed one of the boys that it happened to and sadly he is one of the many that ended up homeless junkie. They tried to help him a few times. I wonder what has become of him since they did that last update on him. From what we have seen of some of the girls that have left, they didn’t leave because of thinking it was wrong but they weren’t going to be able to marry who they wanted. There has been a few of them they helped leave only to return at some point after because they are told they can marry whichever cousin or whoever. In a sick twisted way its almost like a spoiled brat having a fit over not getting something they wanted so they behave a certain way until they get their way. Those girls are obviously not running away to get out of that disgusting lifestyle but to get the husband they want. Which those few I have a bit of an issue with it being shown. On one hand it shows the hold these groups have on these people but on the other it may encourage others to do the same and waste the time of those that could use the help that want to honestly leave for good, kwim? There is really a lot of questions that are thought of when it comes to the way they are. I always wonder what excuse they give when a boy is not around anymore (because they dumped him) or someone runs away. You can only use the same bs so many times before some (at the very least) might start questioning what is said, right? Yet maybe not because of the brainwashed ways of life. I don’t know since I have never lived that kind of life.

I wish I could say the same about the hopes of these groups dying off as they all get older but I doubt it. The amount of children that are born in these groups is not a small number. As long as they can keep the brainwashing going and keep going the way they do there isn’t much that will change. Hell even Warren Jeffs is still controlling his group and he is in jail for life. Yet they believe he will get out one day. They still listen to his bs he spouts to whoever visits him and records it. These are 2 groups. There more of them out there as well. When you have disgusting shows like they have on TLC acting like its just a wonderful lifestyle to live its a bit hard to get those watching and buying that crap to see the truth that is really going on. Which btw, I will NEVER EVER watch the bs shows on that channel and am beyond disgusted with them being on. 

53 minutes ago, Evil Queen said:

Which btw, I will NEVER EVER watch the bs shows on that channel and am beyond disgusted with them being on. 

Well, the good news is that the kids on those shows all say they are not living polygamy and the ones that have married so far aren’t. And the shows aren’t showing the lifestyle to be wonderful. In fact, just the opposite. I lived in a polygamist town (independents) for eight years and none of the descendants of the original patriarchs are practicing polygamy. So that is where I am getting my hope on the situation! The old leaders will die, their brothers will die and there may or may not be anyone as charismatic as them waiting in the wings to take over. Warren Jeffs has prohibited couples from having children in his sect for a while, so that may slow down the continuation of the FLDS. It may take longer for the Kingston sect due to the large number of children, as you said Evil Queen. Something really does need to happen with the Kingstons to blow that sect apart. 

1 hour ago, Galloway Cave said:

Well, the good news is that the kids on those shows all say they are not living polygamy and the ones that have married so far aren’t. And the shows aren’t showing the lifestyle to be wonderful. In fact, just the opposite. I lived in a polygamist town (independents) for eight years and none of the descendants of the original patriarchs are practicing polygamy. So that is where I am getting my hope on the situation! The old leaders will die, their brothers will die and there may or may not be anyone as charismatic as them waiting in the wings to take over. Warren Jeffs has prohibited couples from having children in his sect for a while, so that may slow down the continuation of the FLDS. It may take longer for the Kingston sect due to the large number of children, as you said Evil Queen. Something really does need to happen with the Kingstons to blow that sect apart. 

I have wondered how Jeffs thinks he can keep the couples from having kids or sex at all? Or why when like you said it does slow down how it keeps his sick group going. I am a bit surprised they haven’t had someone step up and do what he did to become the so called “prophet”. There are some that have to know he will never get out of jail. Which not like I would want someone else dictating whatever for them and wish they would wise up to the fact he is not getting out. Sadly there are how many of these sects out there that fall under the FLDS? There are ones in other countries as well if I remember right. At least I know in Canada and Mexico. With Kingston I figured that at some point sadly the way they will end up going down to nothing is because of what may happen with issues that come up over time from mixing up the gene pool like they do within themselves. Otherwise it will really take many to just take the stand and do something to stop it all. Sadly the government is doing nothing that they should on it to put a stop to this disgust. 

1 hour ago, Evil Queen said:

Sadly the government is doing nothing that they should on it to put a stop to this disgust. 

With the Kingstons, I think a bunch of them are in local and State government in Salt Lake City. So they may be influencing, behind the scenes, anything that deals with someone in The Order. In Short Crick, Mohave County Sheriff’s Office finally was able to take over law enforcement from the marshal’s office, which was just staffed with FLDS and God Squad members. Unfortunately, they are keeping their horrible behavior behind locked doors and compound walls and if any word of it leaks out, the brainwashed are told to lie to law enforcement that everything is alright. It’s only when someone cooperates (Jessica, for example) that LE and the justice system can do their job. Even then, witnesses will lie and other family members remain in danger.

1 hour ago, Evil Queen said:

Sadly there are how many of these sects out there that fall under the FLDS?

FLDS is located in Arizona, Utah, Texas, North and South Dakota, British Columbia and Mexico. The Order is mainly in Utah. AUB is in Utah and Montana. The rest are Independants. More and more polygamists are either AUB or Independants, since they can live more like everyone else and not draw attention to themselves. The AUB claims to be “not like the FLDS” but they are just as oppressive towards the women and children, only in street clothes. Independants are all over the spectrum, from polyamorous folks to brutal, deadly cults (Rock Theriault sect in Canada). There used to be a wonderful blog on Tumblr named The Principle, run by someone whose parents had left one of the sects. It had all the sects mapped out, family wreaths for many of them and lots of scanned documents. Sadly, people on Pinterest started using the data without consent and the site shut down. So much polygamy history, gone.